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Look who’s talking: Was there a mole on the Zimmerman jury?

July 17, 2013
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B37For a bunch who established during voir dire that they all but loathe the media, some of the Zimmerman jurors may have been quite eager to reach out to the communications industry – and early enough to violate the rules of sequestration.

The first troubling sign was the announcement Monday that Juror B37 had signed a deal (later rescinded) with literary agent Sharlene Martin to market her story. The timeline proffered was that the juror had reached out to Martin on Sunday; if true, that would mean that, on a day when scores of Americans were in church struggling to make sense of the verdict, B37 was already working furiously to turn the death of Trayvon Martin into a personal profit center. Such a bent would be in keeping with the personality profile offered by Gail Brashers-Krug, a federal prosecutor and law professor turned criminal defense attorney,  who after viewing B37’s voir dire told Slate:

“She really wants to be a juror. She seems to be going out of her way to minimize the disruptive effect of a multiweek trial on her life. Jurors rarely do that. …  Both sides tend to be very skeptical of jurors who are particularly eager to serve on high-profile cases. Often they have their own agendas, or are attention-seekers.”

Martin: The woman who almost handled that book you weren't going to pay for.

Martin: The woman who almost handled that book you weren’t going to pay for.

But it isn’t B37’s mere desire to cash in on the trial that raises eyebrows: It’s how soon she may have started.  According to mediabistro, Martin, the literary agent, claimed that B37 had been referred to her “by a high ranking producer at one of the morning shows.” That means the juror would have to have established a relationship with a national morning-TV producer, asked said producer to recommend an agent, contacted Martin, and agreed to a deal with her – all within a single Sunday.

That timeline doesn’t appear to make very much sense. Instead, it’s all but certain that B37 or someone acting on her behalf had started testing the waters earlier – i.e., while the jury was still hammering out its verdict, or even before. Martin’s initial announcement of the deal stated that B37 would be co-authoring the book with her husband, an attorney. What role did he play in the negotiations, and why didn’t Anderson Cooper think to ask about any of this when he interviewed the juror for the Monday edition of his CNN program, Anderson Cooper 360?

What DID Taaffe have down his pants?

What DID Taaffe have down his pants?

Adding to the concern over potential juror misconduct, Zimmerman neighbor and friend Frank Taaffe had appeared on both the FOX News Channel and HLN on Saturday a few hours before the verdict was read, and had claimed to possess inside knowledge that the jury was at that moment polling 5 to 1 in favor of acquitting the defendant, with one juror holding out for manslaughter. At 2:48 PM on HLN, Taaffe at first merely claimed he was “very comfortable” in this assessment and “firmly believe[d]” it was the case; prodded by host Nancy Grace to explain how he had arrived at his belief, he went even further, stating, “I know it’s 5 to 1.” Grace appeared to dismiss that allegation as ludicrous speculation, opining that Taaffe must have “a Ouija board down [his] pants.”

Later, at 7:44 PM, Taaffe declared to FOX’s Harris Faulkner that he had “some insight into the fact that it’s 5 to 1 in favor of acquittal, and the one holdout is now looking at the manslaughter charge.” The comment whizzed right by Faulkner, who didn’t even deign to ask Taaffe how he could know this.

Perhaps Taaffe was just blowing hot air. Yet three days later, when CNN’s Cooper aired the second part of his interview with B37, she confirmed that the penultimate jury poll had indeed been 5 to 1, with one juror holding out for manslaughter. In other words, Taaffe’s “insight” into their deliberations had been entirely correct.

Could it have been mere coincidence that Taaffe happened to put the vote at 5 to 1 at the exact moment this was accurate? It’s possible. It’s also possible that he did indeed have inside access to the deliberations. Was it via juror B37 and/or her husband, who, as we’ve established, were likely in contact with that “national morning-TV producer” by the time Taaffe made his brazen claim? Does the producer in question work for FOX or HLN? Or is s/he at CNN, where the juror chose to tell her story mere hours after her literary deal fell through?

And what if Taaffe’s source wasn’t connected to B37 at all? That would mean that two out of six jurors, or a full third of the jury, had violated the rules of sequestration. While the nation focuses on B37’s troubling comments to Cooper, and the pro-defense bias they arguably revealed, we should be looking deeper into the possibility that the verdict was compromised by simple and repeated misconduct –all on the part of jurors who, either on their own or through proxies, couldn’t wait to make contact with the media they purportedly deplore.

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  • Traci Hill

    we all knew they were all working together and something needs to be done about this i still say that frank taffee dude is the one who hit gz because they all had time to do so and nobody never brought up what the one witness said how gz walk to the dumpster three time he hit his self of frank did it and them little bumps gz had on his head was something he did or somebody that helped him did and it need to be looked into and of course being that gz dad is a retired judge they all was scared to really do anything this is sad a young kid lost his life all for doing nothing and the judge needs her job taking away to we all know they knew gz family it’s sad that they all got up there and lied we all know that was tm screaming why in the hell would gz folks get up there and lie because they all had it maped out from jump i hope none of these folks have to have this happen to them in order for it to hit home ….

  • Kenneth Watt Sr.

    I totally agree with you Traci and I’ve been saying it all alone. When that witness testified that she saw Zimmerman pacing back and forth from the dumpster I believe that he was striking himself with his weapon when she saw his hand go up toward his head twice.

  • craig vue

    Its funny that 5/6 on the jury have spoken…could that 1 jury who we haven’t heard from be the holdout? Could the fed’s be already investigating and talking to the potential holdout juror? Also remember that the DOJ “suspended” its investigation on GZ…I believe the feds have a lot of ppl on the wiretap…this is not going away!

  • KateBard

    This article was just referenced on Foxnews radio, which provides a link that brought me here. Jury misconduct is highly probable in this case when connecting the timeline as well as the testimony of the neighbor Mr. Taafe. My question is where does it go from here? Who would get the ball rolling into an investigation?

  • gn

    Couldn’t agree more. That was a lynching, not a fight.

  • Alyssa Hewitt

    What amazes me is that B37 not only was allowed on the jury, but that she had access to her lawyer husband.

  • Inquiringmind

    What was that witnesses name please that testified to him pacing back and forth to/from the dumpster?

  • Roger Pitts

    Jane Surdyka

  • gn

    There’s nothing about this verdict that i respect. This was a kangaroo court.

  • Honestly!

    I was in the Orlando Sentinel Chat Room on Saturday morning while we waited for the verdict. One of the chatters said that he had a friend who KNEW where they stood on the verdict and that by 2:30 they would have reached it. He was ADAMANT about it. The fact that this story outlines a timeline that falls right in line with that chatter’s words is to much to be a coincidence. WHAT recourse is there if the jury was compromised by misconduct? Do they face charges? I know that they were allowed to use their cell phones 1 x per day. How the bleep is that sequestration?

  • Kenneth Watt St

    Jane Surdyka

  • Tana

    Omg.. I was thinking the same things. Because if TM had hit him. There would be blood somewhere.

  • Kdubb

    Actually it was Selma Mora

  • gn

    Went to the mall, went to the bowling alley, had relatives on the weekend. Never heard of a sequestration like that one.

  • Patricia L. Alexander

    The “trial” was a FARCE and a TRAVESTY. Everything had been decided by B37, and I’m SURE she was the one running things,–I don’t care WHO the forewoman was supposed to be. B37 needs to be questioned. Heck, they ALL do! The SYG rules were thrown in at the last minute. This was just a horribly unfair verdict!

  • richdoll

    I was on that board sat morn also between the hours 8 am – 12: 30pm I saw the same thing it freaked me out that one of the jurors did not follow the sequestration. the jury was compromised he gave the time the verdict would come out, stated they did not look at the evidence their mind was made up when they went in there

  • mjaboston

    I am in total agreement with you all!

    I haven’t heard her testimony.(surprise, surprise has it been hidden?) Do you have any idea where I can read it? Maybe I need Google.

    Not surprised by any of this. The whole thing seemed a sham from the beginning. Even the Prosecution acted like novices. They never even prepped their star witness.
    Something needs to be done.

  • Robar1

    Ok, so one says J. Surdyka and the another says Selma Mora! LOL! This shit is so funny. You can’t make stuff up like this! In looking at the aerial I can’t even see WHERE a dumpster would be located! Certainly NOT near the ‘T’!!!! LOL!!!!1

  • Alicia Beatty

    The 911 Lauer tape you can hear Jeremy in the background saying “He told me he would shoot him” They were all outside during the time that GZ was trying to wrestle TM to the grown. TM was saying Heeelp! Heelp! he even got closer to the Lauers house because his cries got louder. GZ was the one to say “your gonna die tonight mf” You can hear Jeremy in the background crying..

  • Francey Lowe

    Frank Taaffe has also stated that he knew exactly what happened that night. Maybe that is why Trayvon was screaming for his life. Being hunted down by two. I also read that juror’s husband went to school with Omara. Trayvon never stood a chance

  • Matthew D

    Quite Obvious that B37 and /husband began their scheme and Fraud Immediately when she was picked for jury duty.- A DUTY that B37 Failed to complete- .. While she was supposed to be taking notes of the Trail and reviewing the evidence to make a Fair assessment.. she was Taking notes for her book and scheming with husband and Agent! … Of Course, the Best verdict for a future book deal was : *not guilty* – So, after the verdict, she said that there was Too Much evidence to review. She did Not have time to review evidence, B37 bullied the other jurors to forget their conscience and Common Sense- to vote ‘not guilty’ .. you see, Juror B37 did Not have time for *evidence* – she had to get back home to write her ‘book’. – B37 should be arrested for Jury fraud and she should Repay ll of the money that the county spent on her jury vacation.

  • nana41

    Kenneth I agree with you.. Someone had posted a picture of the bruises on the back of GZ’s head & imposed the gun over those bruise outlines & it fit perfectly..

  • nana41

    It wasn’t a dumpster it was the trash receptacle for the doggie bags that GZ was pacing back & forth around & banging the back of his head..

  • nana41

    What I found even more amazing is that these jurors that were supposed to be “sequestered” (look up that meaning) went to a bowling alley where there are always TV’s playing & people talking. Went to a mall shopping where there are always people talking & chatting about something. Had “unsupervised” visits with their family (atty hubby) where no one monitored conversations (on their honor), and ALL had free access to their cell phones.. GZ was shaking hands & smiling with his attorney’s ‘before’ jurors came back into court & verdict read; so what did he know in advance.. Sham trial just to satisfy Gov Scott & his backers now he can say there was a trial & a verdict.. Sham

  • nana41

    Not a dumpster it was the trash area where they dump the doggie bags..

  • nana41

    You always get a better book deal with a controversial verdict.. I think they dropped the book deal for now to wait until the anger cools down because book wouldn’t sell “now”.. She will redo the content IMO & rewrite it to be a book that sells.. She & the others were under oath during voir dire so all should be investigated & B37 charged with juror misconduct.. Just not by Angela Corey who is a sham too IMO holding hands with Trayvon’s parents & praying with them AC is a phony IMO just an arm of the governor..

  • Roger Pitts

    It doesn’t matter whether we remembered the name correctly. Do the research.

  • Kenneth Watt Sr.

    Thanks for the correction.

  • Kenneth Watt Sr.

    Thanks.

  • Kenneth Watt Sr.

    I’ve seen several of those floating around. The Zimmerman supporters can fathom the idea that these injuries were self inflicted. Some of these actually get fighting mad when you mention it. Lol

  • Robar1

    Sure it does. You expect others to take your word for it when those telling the story can’t remember such a small thing!

  • Robar1

    You mean he did this when the guy that took his picture was standing there watching him? IIRC, when the guy in the apt across from the shooting came out GZ was still on top of TM. He got up and told that guy to call his wife. You mean in the short time he was being watched and the police showed up? Yeah, ok. Nobody that was actually there saw that.

  • Kenneth Watt Sr.

    I disagree. I didn’t make a conscience decision to try to remember the witnesses names. Why are you so closed minded to that theory? It makes perfect sense because if that kid had beaten Zimmerman like he said he was there would have definitely been some of Zimmerman’s DNA on his hands and nails.

  • nana41

    There was a female witness (can’t recall her name) who testified she saw GZ pacing back & forth & smacking the side of his head. That could also have been towards the back with the gun as I recall this witness spoke with an accent.. Still think he had his friend Frank do the bruise damages..

  • nana41

    Well the witness trial testimony will be up on YouTube just like in all the other trials so you can hit the replay button & satisfy your needs instead of calling others liars..

  • nana41

    @Robar1.. What guy took his picture ? Do you have that guys name ? You don’t expect us to believe that if you can’t even remember that guys name do you ?

  • nana41

    Truth hurts them..

  • nana41

    Yes it was GZ’s friend Frank Taaffe (sp)

  • nana41

    I’ve heard that also about the juror’s hubby & MOM .. That will be easy to track back when they release the names of the jurors..

  • nana41

    I saw that movie Runaway Jury & you’re correct right down to the jury consultants on this case..

  • nana41

    So glad that B37 has handed everyone tv, newsprint & email documentation to show jury misconduct in this case.. Now to get someone to act on it and NOT Angela Corey she’s the wrong arm of the law.

  • Kenneth Watt Sr.

    That’s not true. Zimmerman only needed a 10 seconds to hit himself twice. I even question that witnesses motives. Why would you enter the scene of a shooting, approach a stranger who’s holding a gun, ask him what kind of gun it was and then find it necessary to take pictures of his injuries???

  • nana41

    I found that picture taking odd for that particular time also almost like it was staged

  • Tina Landfair

    I am so sick of all that have to do with Zimmermann’s defense. especially George and his witnesses. This is the dumbest shit in America. And all the silly people who go along with him. And yes I am talking to you if the shoe fits. Everyone of these rotten sob’s have done nothing but try and profit off Sabrina Fulton and Tracey Martin’s dead child. Disgusting. Shameful. Low class. Snake belly shit. It went all the way to the jury. This whole thing stinks like 12 week old garbage in 90 degree weather. And yes those wound were self- inflicted. No I wasn’t there. But neither was Zimmerman’s dna on Trayvon.

  • Weesha

    This is really the smoking gun. Retrial.

  • Kenneth Watt Sr.

    Why are you and I the only ones that find that weird?

  • Kenneth Watt Sr.

    I totally agree Tina. This stuff isn’t rocket science and you would have to be an idiot to not see it.

  • gn

    I view this as Emmett Till 2.0. And have just about as much respect for the Zimmerman verdict as the original verdict exonerating Till’s murderers.

  • nana41

    For anyone that wants to listen to & watch the witness testimony its ALL up on YouTube.. Just type in “george zimmerman trial witness testimony” and an entire page will come up for you to choose from.. Have fun

  • nana41

    I did a double take when I heard the witness testify to that during trial.. I mean I know we’re the day of cell camera’s & all but you would think if you are a witness (?) to a shooting your mind would possibly be on helping the victim or calling 911..

  • nana41

    It was Selma Mora and you can watch/listen to her entire testimony with descriptions on YouTube.. BTW she references the words Trash & Receptacle not dumpster.. Even does a visual of GZ slapping the side & back of his head.. In case you’re into visuals..

  • nana41

    Just need someone honest or without a dog in this hunt to investigate this.. The entire jury is suspicious IMO

  • nana41

    YVW…

  • nana41

    try YouTube & type in “george zimmerman trial witness testimony” you will get a full page of the trial.. the witness was Selma Mora who speaks via an interpreter 35 min on the stand

  • Patricia Toblessedtobestressed

    Sounds like to me either juror B37 or her husband was doing a lot of communicating with outside persons (something in the milk not clean) juror misconduct hummmm!!!!!!!

  • Andrea Neuroth Hudson

    Manola, is the neighbor who took initial pics

  • mjaboston

    and…..”thou dost protest too much”! Fits the protesters also.

  • mjaboston

    Thx Nana41. I’m a Nonna

  • Confused

    Something really stinks about this case. Where was Frank Taaffe that night? John Good said he saw the struggle. GZ told police a guy came out and saw them fighting and he told the man (John Good) to help him. John Good didn’t testify as to hearing that request. Also go back and see the video that was taken by cops. Didn’t GZ said that the teen was looking at his car and who else was driving up or following in their vehicles….

  • mjaboston

    Oh, are you talking about when GZ “claimed” he spread Trayvon’s arms out? Pictures don’t prove that one, either. Who knows how long he was on top of Trayvon? Why would anyone with a gun yell for help? They were on the grass by that time, no more supposidly cement head banging. Good testified the one on the bottom had a “white” or “red” jacket. Duh! Color blind? Nothing alike.
    The problem with the jurors, in a nutshell, is that they believed everything GZ said. Never took into consideration that he was lieing to save himself!

  • Carrie Chatman

    Why are you in this conversation?? You believe that GZ acted in self defense!! so why all the statement and questions?

  • Cheese

    Umm, this STORY (and that’s all it is…. A fictional STORY based on some speculatory facts), forgot to mention the FIVE biggest profiteers from this tragedy! Miss Copyright & Trademark Sabrina Fulton (Trayvon’s mom – and I use that term loosely), Attorney Crump, Race Hustlers Al ‘Not so Sharpton,’ Jesse “where my money” extortionist Jackson, & The new Democratic KKK – The NAACP!

  • nana41

    Problem with the jurors they were ‘color blind’ {{snark}}

  • Sunny

    Wow, not shocked. If the jury found GZ guilty, then the Stand Your Ground laws would be called into question and I don’t believe the prosecution let alone the defense wanted that to happen. We were bamboozled!

  • nana41

    cheese was a good screen name 4 you cause I smell GOP

  • Kenneth Watt Sr.

    I couldn’t agree more. Well stated.

  • Linda Perry

    Where there is smoke……does Fire usually Not Follow?

  • Whitfield McRory Palmer

    The problem is no one seems to be pursuing this. Lock up those that did wrong.

  • patricia

    lol

  • patricia

    LOL

  • Robar1

    ……and Trayvon’s was not on GZ so I guess neither of them were there! LOL! Oh, yeah, the cop that took GZ gun touched it ungloved…..no DNA or fingerprint lifted….I guess he lied and he really did not touch the gun. No, people, when it comes to DNA it is never, ever about what is not there, but rather what is there. The DNA guy testified to that, IIRC.

  • Robar1

    Yep, the whole defense team, all the jurors, most of the legal analysts (that actually practice Florida Law and 1/2 the country are idiots!!!! LOL. …..and people wonder why profiling happens! Generalize much? Why is that ok for you but not for GZ? HMMM?

  • Robar1

    ……but if GZ hit himself with the gun there would NOT be blood on the gun, right??? LOL!!!!!

  • Robar1

    I did. That is why I KNEW that no dumpster was ever mentioned. Quit making stuff up to support your position! Take the facts that are actually there and form an opinion! There are ample facts on which you can base your opinion. Why the need to make suppositions? Oh, I know, because the facts and testimony don’t add up correctly for you.

  • Robar1

    Gee Carrie Chatman, I didn’t know you had ownership of this forum and were the one to decide who can comment and who can’t! Good to know that you were put in charge? Do me a favor, since you are in charge and delete this particular post ok! LOL!!!

  • Robar1

    Conclusion not based on evidence. Per the forensic testimony, DNA is not about what is NOT there, but rather what is there. Of course, I suppose you are the person that knows more about how DNA impacts at the evidentiary level…when compared to the actual expert. LOL!!

  • Robar1

    Well, nana41, what statement by any witness saw GZ doing anything other than touching his head? You used the word banging, so prove where that word was spoken in the trial testimony. LOL!! I bet you can’t do it!!! Quit adding evidence. Opinions are great but why on earth would you base your opinion on fabricated statements? Could it be because you heard those statements on a chat like this one, maybe?

  • Robar1

    You yell help because you are getting your arse kicked. Yes you have a gun, but anyone that has ever carried will tell you that is the last resort. See, if you look on the internet for the guy that just murdered (not proven yet) the youth that he SUSPECTED burgled his house you will see what it looks like when somebody with a gun goes looking for a confrontation. He talks to the kid on the sidewalk (way after the house was burgled) then just shoots the kid!

  • Robar1

    Who knows. Who cares. The prosecution did not and could not raise any issues with this witness, which happens to be THEIR witness.

  • Robar1

    Specifically, Johnathan Manalo, husband to Jeannee Manalo. He was the one that walked out via the front of his house and around the side. How is that nana41?

  • Robar1

    See, there are those words again…..smacking the side of his head. Those words were never spoken! Again, why do you insist on making stuff up? Words really do matter.

  • Robar1

    From the free online legal dictionary: “In jury trials, judges sometimes choose to sequester the jurors, or place them beyond public reach. Usually the jurors are moved into a hotel, kept under close supervision twenty-four hours a day, denied access to outside media such as television and newspapers, and allowed only limited contact with their families.” Please link to a source where the juror in question was unsupervised while visiting with the husband? Not saying it didn’t happen, but I can’t seem to find a link at the moment.

  • Silvermoon820

    You know folks if standard operating procedures had been performed by Sanford PD, Coroner’s Office and Medical Examiner there would not be so many disturbing unanswered questions. If Florida’s SYG Law had not been changed; this case verdict would be have been straight forward manslaughter. Juror B37 said it; initial poll 3 not guilty, 1 second murder and 2 manslaughter. Then it went 3 not guilty and 3 manslaughter. They were confused and grappling with the court’s instructions and oppositions of 2nd murder and manslaughter. So, SYG was applied because GZ had the right to defend himself; a not guilty verdict was handed down. Mind you SYG was never giving as an option or instruction from the court.

  • mjaboston

    Not a heck of a lot different than what GZ did to Trayvon. You can say otherwise but that only tells me that you believe everything GZ spewed.
    I suspect that story was out of FLA also? The Floridians really have a problem. It’s sad.

  • mjaboston

    Agreed! And there would have been swelling of GZ’s head, not microscopic cuts.
    Plus, at the time GZ shot Trayvon, they were on the grass. There was no concern of cement.
    I asked before, and I’ll ask again,”Why didn’t GZ ID himself as neighborhood watch”? GZ could have avoided ALL of this if he really wanted to. ID yourself unless you have another agenda!

  • mjaboston

    Are you sure DOJ suspended the investigation? The reason I ask is that they told police not to release GZ’s gun, last I heard.

  • Kenneth Watt Sr.

    I’m using the experts testimony and it has everything to do with what’s not there. It works both ways. Your lack of DNA at a scene where it would be expected is enough to eliminate as a suspect. Trayvon should have had Zimmerman’s blood and/or DNA on his hands if thing went like Zimmerman said. You’re obviously more interested in believing his story than you are in getting the truth.

  • Robar1

    Ken, quite simply, let me put it this way….. There have been a number of cases where women were raped and no DNA transfer happened. Are you saying that the rapes did not happen because the DNA (expected) was not found? I don’t think so. There are many reasons for a transfer to not happen. In this case, the experts testified that a break that high in the nose would bleed back into the throat (when laying on your back). The simple truth is that if you only take what came out at trial then the jury reached the correct verdict. Again, it is fine to have your opinion, and ADD things to the evidence out here in La-la land. Again, most of the legal experts that actually practice law concluded the verdict was correct from a legal standpoint, and some also say that while legally correct, GZ’s actions may have been morally wrong. Even Nicole Brown-Simpson’s sister in law (Ron Goldman’s sister) says that she understands that morally right and legally right are paths that don’t always run close together. The fact is that all the key board sleuths in the land of the internet are not going to reach the ‘truth’ as you say. The ONLY people that KNOW the TRUTH are GZ and TM. Nobody else can possibly know the truth. In reading through this entire message area it is obvious that the truth is slanted to those that want to look at things that are not actually in the evidence. If we are going to play that game then lets look at the fact that TM talks lots of shit on his Twitter account. He talks about fighting for no good reason…..this is a person that would NOT have been AFRAID of GZ! I mean, if we are going to start pulling info out of the weeds then lets go all the way. Again, how is it that everyone here is smarter than the legal experts (that actually know Florida Law), the prosecution and 1/2 of the population? Seriously. I could care less if GZ was found guilty or not. Either way I go to work the next day. I would have been disappointed in that the evidence at trial did not support what the prosecution was saying. Heck, most people don’t even know WHAT the prosecution was trying to say! I would much rather one guilty person went free than an innocent person go to prison. I personally don’t like the 10-20-Life mandatory sentence unless applied to known criminals due to the Marissa Alexander case. First time offender (even if guilty) fires a gun and HURTS NOBODY get 20 year min. for firing a firearm.

  • Robar1

    I won’t even respond as you are an idiot, plain and simple. The cases are nothing alike and if you think they are then, like I said, you are an idiot. I wonder why so many other people are so interested in our problems?

  • nomorebsplz

    5 to 1 made sense because of Juror b29. Many people speculated she was a ‘plant’ as she was ‘from Chicago, had a teenage son (among many other kids) and ‘knew nothing’ about the case. That was speculated for weeks and many people who felt george should get off felt she would be the rogue one. So it’s possible that’s why he felt that way – or, as you said – maybe he did have inside info. But if you look at the jury bios, it was easy to guess the lack of evidence would sway them and one would not budge immediately.

  • Robar1

    You do know that color vision is greatly diminished in the dark, right? That is a physiological truth.

  • nomorebsplz

    Selma is a fraud. She is the roommate of the other ‘witness’ who did a presser with Crump and a few tv interviews. The woman, Selma, who on trial showed ‘she speaks no english’ speaks it just fine.

    They are frauds. There’s a reason Mary Kucher, her roommate, didn’t get called. You know who else was not called by the state? The father.

    There is so much the media hasn’t shown you. Oy vey with the ‘he hit himself with the gun’. Yes, he did that after he called for the police because…you know, that just happens. “Police are coming, I did it I did it. Instead of shooting him before calling NEN I will sit on my ass, call them, give them my cell #, tell them where I am going and shoot a kid after being punched for 35 seconds”

    You did it, guys, you cracked the case.

    Now go read Trayvon’s texts about how he lost round 1 of a 3 round fight because he was pinned down. Then read his texts on 2-21-12 about his bus ride to Sanford and then read the Parents’ testimony to how Tracy ‘drove him’ to meet Brandi Green on his way to Sanford.

    Wow, you guys really put a lot of thought and research into this one, eh? what did the research consist of? “I am black. He is black. Wow”

  • Robar1

    Please explain how the change in the law the verdict would have been manslaughter. I am very interesting in how changing basically one word made the difference in this case, not guilty vs guilty. In Florida, going all the back to 1997 (the farthest I could check) the statutes have always allowed the use of deadly force when defending ones self, EVEN IF initially the aggressor. SYG WAS in fact a part of the jury instruction.

  • nomorebsplz

    Yeah. Um, his face.

  • nomorebsplz

    Read what Trayvon says about one of his fighting partners as not ‘breed enough. Only through his nose’. You know, do … what’s that word? Oh, right. Research.

    This is your chance. Do it. Show Trayvon you care. Do real work. Show me something real. Real. Do it.

  • nomorebsplz

    Did you pay attention to the testimony at the trial? Are you sure that’s how it always works? Esp. in the rain? Think carefully for a second. Trayvon, in your head, is 12. He’s small and ‘scared’. He refuses to call the police, refuses to cry for help oh – wait. You’re probably thinking he was.

    Ok, so…he cried for help for 35 seconds. Before the shot. He had no injuries before the shot. So what was he crying for? Being tickled too hard? Seriously. What IS the answer? Forensics, please – not theory.

  • nomorebsplz

    These guys don’t comprehend gun as a last resort. Liberals only care about guns used in their posh neighborhoods and, when used, are used for scary yearly reminders that white neighborhoods are not always perfect.

    Black cities think of them as – well, let’s be honest. Murder weapons. So how can you convince both of them that they can be used for self defense, when the only people who do in fact use it for those purposes usually live in rural areas or see the world differently?

    It’s literally against all common sense to them. It’s like telling a child “Broccoli is good for you and sugar is bad”. It ‘does not compute’ to them.

  • nomorebsplz

    They have to make stuff up because the evidence they want literally does not exist on planet Earth. If they did, they’d have confirmed it a *year* ago and George would be in jail. That’s kind of the problem for them. That’s why they say “He was on roller skates, caught up to them, a cockatoo got in the way, he tripped, fell on his face…bled, Trayvon wanted to help him, he said “I hate you for being black (but only whispered it so we can’t prove it” and shot him. Trayvon then said “I love you and obviously will forgive you”.

    They are all idiots. Go to the conservative treehouse, you’ll feel much better about the world. They actually document funny things like perjury and … well, other ditties. Google FOIA charles hurley and see how it affected Trayvon inadvertently.

  • nomorebsplz

    You are so ignorant on this case it’s downright heart breaking. Where do we begin? He left 7/11 at 6:30 and the call started at, what, 7:09? It was less than a mile home. Why did it take him so long to ‘walk home’ ? Time to wake up, folks. This is another Al Sharpton masterpiece. Go google Crystal Magnum the ‘rape victim’ – remember her and Duke Lacrosse? Yeah, she’s a murderer. See for yourself. Time to go back to the next race hustle you can all fall for.

  • nomorebsplz

    Present just one fact – not theory, and you can then tell people about what stories they believe. Just one. You also probably should ask yourself why the state witnesses mostly helped the case. Think of it like this – the President and Holder wanted this conviction. The world did. Those jurors know their safety is in question (Because of the white hispanic/nra member who will riot/find them, obviously) – so why not convict if there is evidence? What was THEIR incentive not to?

    There is no answer. That is the point. If Trayvon were white, he’d be Marley Lion. “Who is that?” Bingo. Go youtube THAT video and get back to me about this scam.

  • Cheese

    Seeing how I don’t play the Ebonic Scrabble Edition, and that English is the language I speak (well one of them anyways), no one cares how her name is spelled. Nor that she is a money grubbing whore who used the death of her child as a lottery ticket. I just hope that when GZ gets done suing them for having his rights violated, that she will actually understand what poverty is. As a matter of fact, no one gives two shits what you think either, as you are as clueless as the writer of this fictional story. The best comment on this post came from Facebook where an actual business owner questioned why he should even advertise with this rag anymore, as it is total garbage. I actually enjoy it though, because it allows me to see the garbage that low intelligence mouth breathers, such as yourself Nana41, post in the chats. You must totally enjoy the kook aid!

  • Robar1

    Every time I have actually made it into the selection process for a trial (getting questioned by the lawyers, not just sitting in the jury pool waiting room) one of the first questions they ask is if you know anyone in the prosecutors office or part of the defense team, even the judge. I would be very surprised if both the defense and prosecution did not think to ask these questions as that would be a conflict of interest. People also have been saying that this juror is married to Mark NeJame. I personally know Mark NeJame. I know for a fact that he has young children. I know for a fact that he does NOT live in Seminole County. People that don’t know anything are speculating and tossing people’s reputations out the window with NO evidence.

  • mjaboston

    No way, no how red and white look the same no matter how diminished the light is. Would need to be completely dark and then there would be no color.

  • mjaboston

    For someone who”s not responding, you sure use a lot of words.

  • jack mobley

    Stand Your Ground is embedded in the SELF DEFENSE STATUE. Without STAND YOUR GOUND ZIMMERMAN would be facing the least MANSLAUGHTER !!!!!

  • Robar1

    Nope. Try again! Every legal expert has already said that while SYG is part of the instructions it was not part of this case. You can defend yourself with SYG. Please provide a link that SYG is what caused the not guilty verdict. Again, don’t make stuff up just because you don’t understand the law.

  • CableLegend

    Was Taaffe’s source on the grassy knoll?

  • CableLegend

    Exactly.

  • Robar1

    Nancy Grace was about to explode when she was asking Taaffe how he knew that it was 5 to 1 with 1 holding out for manslaughter. I wonder if she was pissed because she thought he was lying and making a grand claim OR was she pissed that he got a scoop that she did not get.

  • CableLegend

    I heard that the jurors note/question about manslaughter included something about them being split 5 to 1 & that is why the judge never read the full question aloud in court. Whether that’s true, IDK, but either way lots of people on twitter were making statements that the jury would be split 5-1 on manslaughter so Taaffe wasn’t the only one. He just happened to be on TV when he said it. He’s a known blowhard, so to add something about having “an inside source” for effect isn’t out of the question for him.

  • Robar1

    No, he would say it just for effect……but at the end of the day he was right and he always, always said it would be an acquittal. Coincidence, likely. If so, how can one man get so lucky every time he opens his mouth?

  • CableLegend

    Taaffe right every time he opens his mouth? Seriously? As for guessing right about the verdict, 90% of the “legal experts” on TV were right about that. It was pretty clear once the prosecution’s own witnesses sounded more like defense witnesses.

  • Robar1

    What I mean is that he was saying that since the very beginning. I was one of the first to interview him. I interviewed him before his first interview with Anderson Cooper. I remember thinking to my self, at that time, “How can you be so sure?”. All the media had GZ convicted and just waiting for the formality of a trial, if there was going to be one!

  • mjaboston

    A gun pointed to my heart would make me cry for help!

  • OK

    The cops did their job on that case and the killers were sent to prison. The case was shut and the family was able to have peace.

  • Liberal rebel!~

    Hey Robar1 …are you a dick everyday let be guess…YEP!!~

  • Liberal rebel!~

    Plain and simple ..Zimmerman made the whole thing up, even banged himself up when 911 tells you to stay put you do!~ fry his ass!~

  • Liberal rebel!~

    It’s dick head again!~

  • Liberal rebel!~

    Jury misconduct ….oh nooo~

  • Robar1

    I know it feels that way when you can’t comprehend the basics of a trial! If this is the best you have, you better get off your mommy’s computer! LOL!!!

  • Robar1

    Again, if that is the best you have, and it is based on your locked down profile, then you really need to get off your mommy’s computer! LOL!! It is good to see you can add to the discussion! LOL!!!!

  • Robar1

    First 1/2 a comment you have made. It may be jury misconduct. If so, I hope they are outed name-wise for all to see. However, that does not change the fact that Nancy Grace was about to explode! It was funny to see. It was almost as good as watching Nancy Grace interview TM mother. Nancy Grace was looking back to when her fiance’ was murdered. She was about in tears….that got me to looking. She was not a very good prosecutor at all. Several incidents of prosecutorial misconduct herself. Now I know why she is in the ENTERTAINMENT business.

  • MzAretha Aquafina Nixon Retic

    I’m still trying to find out who diagnose GZ with a broken nose because he didn’t go to the hospital and didn’t let his Dr. Do a full exam so how can they prove it was broken and another thing that got me was if its was broken how did it heal with in just a few days, so please tell me that because I’m an RN and I have never seen it happen or found a study that says it can happen. Last thing is only a Dr. can give a diagnose after tests have been done, so again who diagnosed his nose?

  • Whatever

    His text is talking about something else different. unless it talks about him going to beat up zimmerman, keep your mouth on lock. Teens on twitter and facebook express themselves to look cool. All kids black white and in between does that. It is meaningless. His fight at school is meaningless because it could have been over a girl. Trayvon’s teenage problems does not give a grown man a reason to take a life because he is fed up. with the neighborhood.

  • nomoreslavebs4ever

    Its so sad to see that you would use this as an opportunity to mock tm’s tragic death. You are a idiot and a fool. Everyone knows that gz will only be free for a few days and will have his no good red ass back in jail, or before a jury, a jury that includes all people instead of 6 silly illiterate white women. A person has died for no reason whatsoever. If gz was so afraid as he claimed, why did he go after tm when he was told not too? Did you take time to listed to the police investigation, when he was taken to the station? No…you don’t want to hear it, it is just like the prosecution said, a bunch of lies and bs…keep thinking that this law is open season on blacks, you may find yourselves in the middle of a race war, right here in the US, which means many innocent people will be hurt or killed. You know this was wrong. How would you like it if the roles were reversed and tm walked? Would never happen, and you know it. Sick of the judicial system, canning black people like dogs, and letting ass holes like gz walk. Then keep talking about ” Reasonable doubt”. That flew out the window when gz decided to play wannabe cop, as the police investigator stated to him. He said to gz that he should have NEVER pursued tm, and left in his car, and this whole thing never would have taken place. Do your homework.

  • mebeingme

    How in the hell do you know? Blacks use guns for just as many uses as white do….or rural areas do, difference Is in the rural areas, when you are not hunting, you’re taking out schools, families,etc., you don’t shoot 1 at a time like blacks do, in altercations, you massacre the whole village? How about that for the conservative suburbanites?

  • FreeSpeechIsntCrime

    If gz had hit himself with a gun and left blood- I think there is the slight possibility he may have thought to clean the gun afterwards- given the theory is gz was staging the injuries. Just a thought.

  • FreeSpeechIsntCrime

    In terms of ‘making stuff up’ there is nothing more fabricated than the idea that Trayvon attacked zimmerman when all of the objective evidence points to zimmerman attempting to detain Trayvon- or attacking Trayvon- either of which paints zimmerman as the aggressor.

    Trayvon fled zimmerman. The last minute complete reversal of action theory ‘that Trayvon turned around and attacked zimmerman’ is held together by what? zimmerman’s statement.

    zimmerman’s statement is not objective and not necessarily factual given his lawyers have already had to admit he perjured himself (and cited ‘pressure’ as the reason). Just google george-zimmermans-lawyer-admits-his-client-lied-about-his-finances

    Any chance zimmerman may have felt pressure to lie during his statement, given he was feeling the pressure of staring at ‘hard time’?

  • FreeSpeechIsntCrime

    (I presume there will be a retort about Goodman’s testimony ‘guessing’ that Trayvon was ‘on top’)

    Claiming ‘Trayvon was on top’ is hardly evidence of zimmerman’s version of events, people in fights often change positions all the time. Goodman’s testimony only reflects a snapshot of the entire fight- and even that is based upon ‘guessing’ by referencing clothing in the rain, near dark.

    The statement from zimmerman- the lying murderer who perjured himself over wire fraud and lied about taking a class which included ‘Stand Your Ground’ Laws, the lying murderer who was looking at hard time is the only evidence we have that Martin started any type of confrontation.

    Is there ‘NO reasonable doubt’ on that ‘story’? zimmerman and his lawyers have already had to admit he perjured himself (and cited ‘pressure’ as the reason).

  • Robar1

    First of all, it is the defenses job to raise questions. In this case the evidence supports that GZ was hit. There is NO evidence to support any theory that GZ was detaining TM, NONE. Even the prosecution does not make that claim. The only way you can get there is SUBJECTIVELY. Objectively there is no way to make that leap.
    No, it is held together by the fact that GZ had to wounds on his hands. TM had no wounds on his face. The TM supporters make a deal about GZ having 18 months of martial arts training. The defense claims he is soft. So, if you go with the average TM supporter then TM should have been marked up pretty well if you buy into the idea that GZ attacked TM first.
    Why was GZ not charge with perjury but his wife was? You don’t think Angela Corey would charge GZ with every charge she could?
    No, he told his story to the police before he knew that anything would have been recorded on the 911 calls.
    Finally, all the experts, legal analysts that actually practice Florida Law agree the verdict was correct from an evidence point of view.

  • Robar1

    Seriously? There simple was not time for him to do all that. There certainly would not be time to clean the gun, so as to remove all DNA and all finger prints except his! The police officer who took his gun was ungloved and even his finger prints were not found on the gun.

  • blastah

    still fishing for your answer yet the jury spoke. let it go.

  • blastah

    lol so we go from one witness name to another, and then from a dumpster to a receptacle. lol. you people just can’t accept the verdict.

  • blastah

    and where did you hear this witness say such? please provide actual quote.

  • Robar1

    Well, the PA that examined him the next day made a clinical diagnosis. There is no radiographic evidence. None is needed. Also, the ME, whom I would say has much more credibility that you, has said the nose was deviated. I Dr. can diagnose issues without any tests. The tests often confirm the diagnosis.

  • Traci Hill

    the jury are not god they were all working together and i am not fishing i know i serve a awesome god and ya friend will pay so you let go and don’t worry about what i am saying i know it’s nothing to you but it mean a lot to ma a kid getting killed for no reason so you go pray and don’t let the devil win now good day !!!

  • Traci Hill

    who the hell you calling you people that’s the problem folks like you ass hole in every way possible !!

  • Traci Hill

    they was all working together judge and lawyers ,jury and all this is crazy why is that no one see this nut gz killed a kid for no reason he hit is self and that was why he went to that dumpster and small as them little cuts was we know damn well tm did not do that no dna on tm tells it all gz is gonna pay he have not gotten away god have the last answer so who ever think he is all clear he is not so !!

  • Traci Hill

    judgement day is coming for gz then let’s see what you will have to say him and all them lies he told i hope he hear tm every night all through the day and see his face all day i hope gz know he is not getting away with this while you all are so happy talking that shit the juors have spoken hell with the racist jury they are not the law of the land god have all the power if you know who that is !!

  • Traci Hill

    the lies gz told man you crazy he knew how to cover up all that shit so stop we know this for sure tm did not do shit to him gz is a lying dog just like he claim tm said you got me naw tm said you shot me and everything gz is saying tm did that is exactly everything tm did that snake is going down just be ready to believe it when it happen because his day is coming faster then you think !!

  • Traci Hill

    let me say this again tm did not have to go home he had the right to be there gz was on the hunt to kill a black person we all know that now again tm did not have to go home what the hell are you talking about why did it take tm so long to go home he cold have took all night to go home gz is not getting away with this so you find something to do like go pray and ask god to give you a heart now you go hustle sucker i am not the one for ya little slick ass shit you saying !!

  • Robar1

    Generalize much? Here is a specific, John Allen Muhammad. Google him.

  • Robar1

    What does this even mean?

  • Robar1

    Who exactly is going to ‘fry his ass’? You? Doubtful. GZ NEVER talked to 911. If you can’t get that simple fact straight then you need to GTFO! LOL!

  • Robar1

    Yep, it might, but if the gun was pulled prior to the screams then whey didn’t TM tell the guy that came out and was less than 20 feet away HELP THIS GUY HAS A GUN? Oh, wait, I know, it is because that witness SAW TM on top making downward motions with his arms.

  • Robar1

    Only your lips would know!

  • Robar1

    Wait, did somebody get hanged? I didn’t hear about that during the testimony!

  • Robar1

    Why, because you did not get the outcome you desired?

  • Common sense

    It is plain and simple to all to see. If you buy one word of Zimmerman’s lying ass account of what happened that night you are a damn fool. You Robar1 are one of the biggest I’ve seen.

  • Robar1

    Holy cow! You are making grandiose assumptions and generalizations!!! “We all knew they were all working together…”. You then go on to accuse Frank Taaffe of being complicit in a murder (with no proof I might add). Then you go on to say his dad is a retired judge. This is a bald-faced lie! His dad is a retired magistrate in Virginia! A magistrate is not a Judge and has no trial authority! They work for the Supreme Court of Virginia. So, exactly what why where they all scared??? What exactly is a retired Magistrate from Virginia going to do to anyone in Florida? Please explain!! Then you go on to say they all knew GZ family. Again, can you offer an proof or is this just an uneducated, drug inspired theory?

  • Robar1

    You keep making these threats, that his day is coming. Is your daddy going to still take care of him. You remember, your daddy the Black Panther……do a google search on Harley riders and Black Panther and you’ll see exactly how scary the Black Panters are. LOL!!!!!!

  • GearyMarks

    Judgment day is coming for all of us

  • jack mobley

    Hi you might want to refer to B37 juror stating the SYG law was a part of their decision.

  • Robar1

    Jack, that is correct. I said it was not part of the case (trial) but it was in the instructions. We are not in disagreement about that. The part I posted above, Item (2) in 776.041 is where I think it fits in. The defense did not argue SYG. That is all I am saying. SYG is self-defense but self defense is not necessarily SYG.

  • Robar1

    Jack, how do you figure if SYG did not play a part that would have meant manslaughter. What about SYG do you think cause the jury to reach Not Guilty? I really do try and see all sides. I don’t agree, of course, but I do like to know why (besides hysterical emotional thinking) people arrive at their conclusions.

  • jack mobley

    Hi Robar1 yes I would say it was IMPLIED without actually saying it, I sat on juries, and it’s like putting a jigsaw puzzle together sometimes none of the DAMN pieces fit, But here one for you George called the cops hoping they would showup as he encountered trayvon instead of him telling the kid who he was, he got scared when trayvon approached him just a few words might have stop this traedy my heart truly bleeds for the martins I have 2 sons raised in HARLEM.

  • Robar1

    Jack, I don’t disagree with that. I have long held that either GZ or TM could have altered the outcome. I think that is clear. It starts to get fuzzy when you bring ‘rights’ into the equation. I too, feel for TM’s family. I have met and spoken to Sybrina Martin. I have given her a hug and told her that I am so sorry that she is going through the loss of a son. My view of this case and its outcome does NOT change that.

  • Traci Hill

    like i said they all worked together i meant just what i said i don’t have to offer you shit and yes gz banged his own damn head and hit his own self in the face and yes again they all was in this shit together now holy cow holy horse holy dog his ass is gonna pay for what he did now what apart you don’t understand THEY ALL WAS IN IT TOGETHER JUDGE,LAWYERS,COPS,JUORS, AND ALL AND YOU DON’T HAVE A CLUE UNTIL IT HAPPEN TO YA FAMILY NOW GO PRAY !!

  • Traci Hill

    naw my daddy is ya daddy and i don’t give a damn about a harley rider, and who made you captain of the gz case ya ass is dum as a box of rocks and far as you talking about black panthers i don’t have that to do but know that black blue red or yellow come this way messing around and get ya hat brought to you now go pray i know the truth hurts…

  • Robar1

    Go drink some more of whatever Kool-Aid you have been drinking! LOL! You can’t offer shit because you don’t know shit. You wouldn’t know shit if it hit you in the mouth. Again, when is your daddy going to get off his rear end and do something……Mr. Black Panther? You can’t counter any single thing that has been said except with your strange, uneducated diatribe and innuendo.

  • Robar1

    “Naw”, my daddy would have tied you in a knot and tossed you in the trash before you were born! You know the truth hurts! LOL! I doubt you even know why that is funny! The truth hurts!!! LOL!!!

  • Traci Hill

    you silly as hell and please know that nothing you say will affect me in anyway you are the devil now like i said go pray hopefully that will help you other then that hell go stand in traffic !!! dont forget to pray

  • Traci Hill

    look sweet potatoe head fella go find something to do like i SAID NOTHING YOU SAY WILL NOT NOT MAKE ME SO TRY SOMETHING ELSE BECAUSE YOU SOUND PATHETIC AND IN NEED OF SOME ATTENTION NOW GO PRAY !!

  • Robar1

    It obviously does as you can’t keep your trap shut! LOL!!! Don’t worry about me praying, you pray. You have enough hate for 1/2 the State of Florida. You pray…..but I don’t it will do any good as you are only interested in hate!!!! You don’t have any factual support for your idiotic ideas! LOL!. Clearly education and comprehension is a problem. Heck, even Rachel Jeantel has a better understanding of the facts than you do!

  • Robar1

    Come on ‘Pork-chop’, you don’t even make any sense. At least I could understand Rachel Jeantel when she talks. I don’t need attention, you do! You are shouting!! LOL!!! You go pray. You better pull an all nighter because so far all your praying has not done much. I am sure you prayed for a murder conviction and even prayed that if not murder then at least manslaughter. How does it feel to be let down? Or maybe the answer was just NO. Ever think about that? LOL!!

  • nana41

    Zimmerman family troll

  • mjaboston

    No matter what you believe………..the fact is GZ brought “a gun to a fist fight” and shot to KILL!

  • Tim Tantric

    there had to be a sheriff’s deputy involved, as the communications of the jury were strictly monitored, considering the sympathy shown by the Sanford PD, i would not be surprised if some bubba with a badge relayed info from the Desperate Housewives jury to the producer

  • Robar1

    No matter what you believe……..it is not a fact that GZ brought “a gun to a fist fight”. I don’t think GZ or TM thought when they got up that morning they would be in any kind of altercation. GZ has been carrying a weapon for some time and never had an issue, so I seriously doubt that he thought this day would be any different. Him having a gun is incidental to the fight. Whether he was armed or not the fight likely would have happened. I will give you that he shot to kill. I don’t think that intent was in his head, but when you fire at the chest at that close of a range then it is safe to say that death is a probability.

  • Robar1

    Says the one that never brings anything substantive to the discussion.

  • mjaboston

    I’ll give you that………….I don’t think either one thought they would be in any altercation when they got up that morning. BUT when GZ saw TM he certainly knew he wan’t gonna let “him get away, like the others always did”. He even went as far as to lie to the police and say he even forgot he had his gun on, when we know, in another interview, he stated he wore his gun everywhere except for work! So, if he were the meek and mild person he wants us to believe, the only reason he went above and beyond the authority or conduct of neighborhhod watch is because he was carrying and ready and willing to shoot.

  • mjaboston

    One would think that a jury deciding guilty or innocent in a murder trial would ask questions if “confused and grappling with the court’s instructions”. SMH

  • Silvermoon820

    I would think so too. One general question was asked about manslaughter, the jugde and both sides of lawyers constructed a response which basically requested the jurors to put forth specific question(s) about manslaughter. The judge sent the response back to jurors, the Court was waiting for a specific question(s) and the jurors went to dinner for an hour. That’s when I went to bed because I knew they were in trouble. To deliberate for more than 16 hours, past 9:00 PM; in my opinion was too long. There seemed to be an urgency to come up with a verdict that night. The account of activities dedescribed by juror B37 is major disturbing to me for many reasons; but one that’s takes your breathe away was when she used the words, “in the heat of passion” to explain how the shooting occured. That in itself fits the definition of volutionary manslaughter. Thanks for your response.

  • mjaboston

    I felt the exact same way when the jury never came back with a specific question. Perhaps the law needs to be rewritten so that the explanations of verdicts are more “people friendly”. Jurors are not attorneys and can’t be expected to understand the legal jargon as it is written presently. Nothing should be left to interpretaion. IMO

  • MR_22

    Just like the so-called evidence against Zimmerman, this is all conjecture and is pointless. Nice try, but it doesn’t matter. Even if it is determined that there was inappropriate jury conduct, it’s over. Not-guilty verdicts cannot be overturned. Arguing about it just puts everybody in a tizzy.

  • Lika564

    You have that wrong. That guy who took the photo also said GZ was pacing at the top of the T when he saw him. He did not see him on top of TM. He also stated that he didn’t even look out of the window. His wife was looking out of the window and he told her to stop and let grown men handle whatever was going on out there. After the shot, he grabbed his camera and came out. Not knowing what was going on, hearing at least one gunshot and he went out there not knowing if the dead guy was the “good” guy or the “bad” guy? he “told that guy to call his wife” after the police made him drop the phone. The police did not find him on top of TM either. GZ said he was on top of him when the first person (mystery camera guy at the time) came around the corner. The police did not see him on top of TM either. That’s why they had to ask who shot TM.

  • Lika564

    Dang, you are fabricating. GZ was hit. There is no evidence to support that TM did it besides GZ’s words. GZ did not have wounds on his hands. Look again at the police station photos where his hands are out. Clean. He even told you that he did not try to defend himself. I would think that would be a reflexive action to block blows to the face, especially after one supposedly busted your nose. We did not see TM’s face until the flashes shown on television and clear views on the racists’ pages. He was not charged with perjury about the money because he allowed his parents and wife to perjure themselves for him. That’s an old habit of his also; to allow his friends and family to “take the fall” for him and spend time in jail or prison. He was very pleased and relieved when the audio experts were not allowed. Strange reaction for someone who wanted to prove it was himself screaming. Finally, the prosecutors did a horrible job of presenting that case. I have no answer for that. Your angel is a coward. Cowards die a thousand deaths. He’s died quite a few in his lifetime already.

  • Robar1

    Who said GZ HAD wounds on his hands? What is fabricated? I think you need to re-read what I wrote! LOL. I never said he was an angel. I don’t care if he killed TM on purpose with ill will, spite and hatred. The prosecution did not prove that. I have no dog in the hunt. The audio “expert” was not allowed in because his conclusions were based on JUNK science as testified to by the FBI (I think) expert who flat out said that there was just NOT enough of a sample to identify who said what. That is why it was not let in. Yes, I imagine GZ would have been relieved that JUNK science was not allowed in. Have you heard yet whether or not his wife has a court date yet for the perjury charge?

  • Lika564

    Read your post from 8 days ago. You said GZ had wounds to his hands.

    “No, it is held together by the fact that GZ had to wounds on his hands.”

    There were 2-3 experts. GZ could find none that would testify it was him. Again, if I thought proving it was myself screaming, I’d want those tapes to prove it. I would not be happy that they didn’t. He giggled with such relief.
    No, I have not read when or if there will be a court date. The last I read on it was that it would be after GZ’s trial. It’s Judge Nelson again unless that has changed.

  • Robar1

    Please read my post again. It is obvious, to me, that “to” does not mean “two” in that case. It is a typo and should have read “no”. I was making the point that GZ being hit is more consistent with the evidence, a small cut on TM’s hand and GZ busted up face. The lack of evidence supporting the claim that GZ hit TM, NO wounds on his (GZ) hands. AND my next sentence from above, “TM had no wounds on his face.”. Paraphrase…..GZ no wounds to hands and TM no wounds to face…… I can see how that typo may have clouded my intent. No worries.

  • mjaboston

    Silvermoon820 – thoroughly enjoyed your post.
    I thought I understood that a person claiming SYG defense had a hearing about it first? I also understood that GZ was not claiming the SYG defense. Why was it offered?
    As far as I could determine, TM was the SYG candidate and the mere fact that there were no eyewitnesses, and the other person is dead, the individual who committed the shooting account of the incident is a bit suspect to me and raises a big flag! Talk about a reason to downrite lie or embellish. I son’t see where the forensics matches GZ’s account without question. But, what do I know.

  • Lika564

    “t” is not close to “n” on the keyboard. You might have been typing “two”. Typos happen. No problem. I disagree with you about the “evidence”. There were too many holes in GZ’s stories: all of them.
    I started to write a long response about each point that convinced me he was a murderer and not a person defending himself against an unprovoked assault but what’s the point? He got away with murder in a court of law. He knows he did. That will have to be enough for now.
    His lawyers did a much better job of defending their client than the prosecution did.
    The focus needs to shift from him in particular to what his actions represent and the real problem: the SYG law in Florida and some other states. In Texas, you can’t admit that you chased or followed someone into a dark place, started a fight, got your butt beat and killed the person. In that example, the other person might be perceived as standing their ground and defending themselves and you’d have a very hard time of it if you admitted the person ran away from you and you followed and engaged. Texas is rough but not as bad as Florida.
    Anyway, good day/night to ya Sir.

  • Silvermoon820

    You are so right. SYG was inserted for consideration towards the final hours of jury deliberation according to juror B37; when they couldn’t come to agreement on second murder or manslaughter the 3 rd option was not guilty. It was not done by the Court. Juror B 29 has since said that as the instructions were read to her she was told that the murder had to be intentional in order to apply manslaughter or second degree murder. Since the evidence did not show intentional murder she changed her vote from second degree murder to not guilty. We do not know who inserted SYG as an option nor do we know who read the instructions to juror B29. This is a tradegy and as juror B29 has said GZ got away with murder because of the law. The Governor of Florida has refused to re-examine the SYG law is incredible.

  • mjaboston

    Absolutely incredible in this day and age. I see Florida having a huge problem all around.
    Not to start a different subject but I can’t fight the nagging feeling that the prosecution didn’t go into this trial whole heartedly. I’ve read that they were seasoned lawyers but certainly didn’t probe it with the case they put on. If they didn’t believe in what they were doing by prosecuting GZ, they shouldn’t have taken the case.I know, probably didn’t have a choice but their actions showed they only ent thru the motions, no heart for the case. JMO

  • Robar1

    Florida Statutes are very, very close to the Texas Penal code. See the section I copied below. Now, I am very, very familiar with the applicable Florida Statutes. The SYG part was added a few years ago. Florida Statutes have always allowed the aggressor to defend himself as he needs to if the other person continues to attack after the initial aggressor stops being aggressive or if the initial aggressor thinks his life is in danger or he faces great bodily harm. That part of the law goes all the way back to the 1970′s (as far as I can verify on line). The part of the Florida statutes that I THINK played in the not guilty verdict for GZ comes from verbiage very similar to item 4 below, along with part B. In this case, GZ was not carrying a firearm in violation of any Florida Statutes. I am not trying to change your opinion on the GZ verdict, only pointing out that from a legal perspective this same verdict could have been reached (legally) in Texas as well. Have a good day. By the way, in a post about a year ago you were talking about a witness named Jeremy. Who is that? He is not listed in the trial witness list so I can only assume he was somebody interviewed or that called 911. Do you have his name or witness number…..there are a couple things I’d like to hear or see in his transcript.
    From Texas Penal code. Sec. 9.31

    (4) if the actor provoked the other’s use or attempted use of unlawful force, unless:

    (A) the actor abandons the encounter, or clearly communicates to the other his intent to do so reasonably believing he cannot safely abandon the encounter; and

    (B) the other nevertheless continues or attempts to use unlawful force against the actor; or

    (5) if the actor sought an explanation from or discussion with the other person concerning the actor’s differences with the other person while the actor was:

    (A) carrying a weapon in violation of Section 46.02; or

    (B) possessing or transporting a weapon in violation of Section 46.05.

  • Robar1

    I posted the actual jury instructions somewhere. If you are interested you can click on my name and then look over my posts. In those jury instructions SYG was mentioned. I don’t remember the exact wording now, but it is in there for sure (as I saw it with my own eyes). No matter on which side you find yourself, you have to admit that there are some strange twists/turns that happen all within the boundary of the law!

  • Robar1

    This is the rub! 1) GZ was not arrested because he claimed self-defense that very night. 2) Statements taken that night backed up his version (or at least nothing was found to discredit his version. Because of that he was not arrested, per Florida Statutes. Once some apparent discrepancies came out (it took some time and likely pressure from the public) an arrest was made. This is where things get funky. The District Atty. for this case did not see anything chargeable. The case was put in front of Angela Corey. At this time a Grand Jury (who decides if a case has merit for prosecution based on evidence the prosecution presents….with not defense present) was in place and ready to hear the evidence for indicting GZ. Angela Corey by-passed the Grand Jury and went straight to a charge. Why did she NOT want to use the Grand Jury that was already seated and waiting to hear the evidence?

  • mjaboston

    Was that even legal for AC to do? (obviously, she did it, right) Although we’re rivals in this case, I understand your explanation and it is a bit funky. Why wouldn’t she want it in front of the GJ? Not very confident, ha? I don’t suppose the attorneys under her can refuse to prosecute? Sure seems like they wanted out.

  • Robar1

    Yep, it is legal. You are correct in why it was done. Usually a prosecutor will by-pass the GJ when the case is weak and/or the evidence has been compromised. There are other factors too, but I would guess the weak case and compromised evidence (like hands put into plastic) were driving factors. I think that political pressure to take the case to trial at all costs also played a factor. As for us being rivals….I think maybe only in our interpretation of the case. While I certainly feel that GZ being convicted based on the evidence, actual evidence that I saw, I would have been disappointed BUT I would have accepted it. I have no dog in the fight. I am a stickler for the letter of the law. I am very good at researching law. I have a couple people that have told me that this verdict could not happen in Texas. I researched the Texas Penal code and it is very close to Florida. In Florida, prior to stand your ground, it was never illegal to follow somebody. It was never illegal to follow somebody while armed. It was not illegal to follow somebody and then question them. The law, prior to SYG, always allowed the aggressor to use deadly force if they either disengaged the altercation OR if the other person did not stop (their own self defense). They then become the aggressor and can now be stopped with lethal force if the ORIGINAL aggressor at a minimum feels he is in danger of great bodily harm. This has always been the case. Stand your ground only means that you don’t have to retreat if possible. In this case, just following the law, Once GZ was on the bottom he was not able to retreat even if he wanted to. I am NOT trying to change your mind, only to put the actual facts of law out there. How you use them is up to you. We all can have our own opinion. Sometimes we can read/hear the same thing and still arrive at differing conclusions. I am ok with that. I just can’t stand people that make wild huge claims and add things to the evidence. Personally, if I am going to send somebody to prison for 10/20/30 years it is going to be based on HARD evidence. I would much, much rather a guilty person go free than have an innocent person in prison. Our greatest rights are our rights to Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. Those are unalienable rights. I will have to be 100% convinced by hard evidence that somebody is guilty before I will strip them of their rights. For example, I will never, ever convict a person of murder when there is NO physical evidence connecting a person to the crime and/or there is no body.

  • mjaboston

    I guess you wouldn’t relish sitting on a circumstantial case then. LOL I agree with the political pressure having a lot to do with the prosecution. However, I’m still bothered by exactly who was the agressor in this case.
    From my understanding, Texas tolerates nothing! Very tough in that state.
    I also have no dog in this fight.

  • Silvermoon820

    It really doesn’t matter. Under no circumstances should it ever be right for an unknown, unidentified, armed, adult to follow, track, chase and kill an unarmed minor. As mothers among every race and color we know all children of every race and color are taught to avoid and if all else fails defend themselves by all means necessary. We have seen our children murdered in schools, while playing outside and while going to the corner store…And we are sick of it! As Oliver Twist’s character said; “Then Sir, the law is an ass”! And psychopaths and sociopaths are hiding behind it; it will only become relivant when one them reaches out touches you and someone you love. As Justice Clearence Thomas is now “outraged” when his nephew that has mental illness was alledgely beatened and tased while in a hospital because he refused to put on a hospital gown and wanted to leave.

  • Lika564

    This is what I want to point out: Trayvon ran. George and Rachel (aka D-D) told you that he did. How is that not TM stating that he does not want to engage George and at what point did he lose (if he ever possessed) the right to stand his ground? Please don’t state that when George started yelling in pain or for help. If George tells you that he thought the guy was suspicious; high on drugs or something and placing his hands on his waistband in a threat of carrying a firearm, why would anyone believe that George went around the corner unprepared for such a person? I do not believe GZ yelled for help because of any pain. He stated he yelled for help to “detain” this guy. The screams are uninterrupted. No smothering occurred by either party.

    How is it that TM can run away but it all depends upon whether GZ wants to and that GZ gets to determine how the fight will discontinue? Except for GZ’s word, how do we know that TM was not allowing the altercation to discontinue when GZ decided to shoot him through the heart after removing his left hand in order to not shoot himself in it, aiming (he said he aimed) and shooting him “one time”?
    Witness not called in Zimmerman case: Jeremy Lauer. He was not listed as a witness. I do not believe he was interviewed. I’d like to know why not. He was the one out there – not Jenna and not even John “the Good Liar” Good. He was the fiancé of Jenna Lauer (her married name now). When you listen to Jenna’s 911 (the now famous) call, in between talking to the operator, she tells Jeremy to “get down”, ” (Why? Is a fist going to fly into the window? I think a bullet has already been shot before the 911 operator answers the phone. The former school teacher, I believe, states there were 2 or 3 shots fired before she called) and “get IN (emphasis added) here.” In where? She was not in the closet so he must have been outdoors. Even if she was in another room, why hide so far away if it’s only fists flying? The screams imply that she was not that far away. He says to her “Tell me you’re calling the cops!” After the kill shot, he says, “That’s it.” He continues by saying something like “He told me he’d [I can't tell what he said for certain.]” He hisses, “Heeee’s dead.” “He’s dead.” He chuckles in a shocked manner. Not like he is happy or giddy about it. He says, “He klled a kid.” I want to know how did Jeremy know “he” was dead unless he was out there? It was supposedly very dark. How did he know TM was dead from that distance? GZ/TM were supposedly more in JG’s yard and John Good has them moving in reverse of what GZ said happened (concrete to yard vs yard to concrete). The evidence seems to indicates it was as GZ stated from concrete to yard.

    Texas case: Joe Horn is the man you want to comment on in Texas. I am familiar with that case. Joe Horn is more of a Castle Doctrine Case. You know SYG allows you to take your Castle wherever you are. The difference between Zimmerman and Horn is that the deceased (note I did not write murdered victims) were burglarizing his neighbor’s home. GZ played on stereotypes and white fears of overwhelming lawlessness of black males. The guys committing the burglaries were not American citizens and not from a decent family with history in the area and therefore did not get the wholehearted support that Trayvon’s parents are receiving and the huge difference is these guys were in the act of burglarizing the man’s neighbor’s home and even walking across his front yard. Trayvon was merely walking while being a young, black male. I don’t personally think that material things are that important but I do not condemn Joe Horn for shooting them either. He shot one in the back. The other was supposedly turning towards him to attack. I don’t appreciate that Joe Horn could/would not wait for police to show up BUT these guys were burglarizing his neighbor’s home. Presumably, they would come back and get his house or one of his neighbors’ homes again.

    I don’t believe the Zimmerman verdict would have been the same even in Texas (well, at least in Harris County, TX). GZ would have lost the SYG aspect (as he recognized he would have in Florida thus waiving the SYG hearing) when he admitted that he left his vehicle and followed a retreating person and engaged that person. That is not ok in Texas. BUT, in TX, in my all female cc class, we were told to shoot until the gun is empty, call 911 and report a shooting, leave the line open and put the phone down. Say no more. Contact a lawyer. Texas does not allow a State Attorney to charge in a manner that waives the grand jury. It is automatic that you will go before a grand jury. In hindsight, I think this only accentuates that the prosecutors’ office had no serious intention of prosecuting GZ.
    In hindsight, I see there was no incentive for the state to do so. In most cases, the police are a prosecutor’s ally. I can see there was no incentive to damage that relationship for one lower-middle class family of any race (except that would not have and did not happened to a white child of any class). It does not regularly occur to white children.
    I am a person who tends to romantically believe that Good/Right always prevails. This case, amongst others, erodes that belief, prayer, hope, ideology. I have to remind myself of an old saying that God may not come when you want him to but he’s always right on time. Murders prove that to be false but I still hope for Good to prevail. Onward…

    The SYG law’s name needs to be changed to The Last Man Standing law.

    I admit that I read the Fred Leatherman blog when I state that it is in violation of the Fourteenth Amendment and needs to be discontinued. The aggressor (SYG states) needs to disengage.

    I was not taught in my concealed carry class to follow a “suspicious person”, engage and kill them. I was taught to back off, call the police like a neighborhood watch and hang around if I wish and WAIT for the police. If I am the one under an unprovoked attack, that I can kill the person. I’m female so I have more leeway than a man when determining the level of the threat and my response to it. IDEALLY. SUPPOSEDLY; but, I am also a Black female. I work with ppl who allow themselves to fantasize at times about the violence I am capable of; or, stereotypical images of what my hairstyle means, for instance.

    I do not believe either of us are attempting to change the other’s mind about the verdict in the Zimmerman case. It is what it is. I believe, at this time, we are respecting each other’s perspective on this and I appreciate that.

  • Lika564

    From Texas Penal code. Sec. 9.31

    (4) if the actor provoked the other’s use or attempted use of unlawful force, unless:
    ISN’T THIS WHAT GZ DID? HE PROVOKED THE USE OF WHAT HE PERCEIVED TO BE UNLAWFUL FORCE?

    (A) the actor abandons the encounter, or clearly communicates to the other his intent to do so reasonably believing he cannot safely abandon the encounter; and
    TRAYVON RAN. GZ IS A LIAR THAT HE SCREAMED. HE HAD THE GUN AND I BELIEVE HE HAD IT OUT WHEN HE CAME AROUND THE CORNER.

    (B) the other nevertheless continues or attempts to use unlawful force against the actor; or
    GZ USED UNLAWFUL FORCE. HE ATTEMPTED TO DETAIN TM AS EVIDENCED BY HIS REQUEST TO JOHN GOOD (?) TO HELP HIM “DETAIN THIS GUY”.TM WAS NOT COMMITTING A CRIME AT THE TIME THAT GZ ATTEMPTED TO APPREHEND HIM. IN TEXAS THAT WOULD BE CALLED UNLAWFUL DETAINMENT KIN TO KIDNAPPING. He had to kill him when he realized what he was doing IF he ever realized it.

    (5) if the actor sought an explanation from or discussion with the other person concerning the actor’s differences with the other person while the actor was:
    GZ STATED THAT TM INELEGANTLY ASKED HIM “YOU GOT A PROBLEM, HOMIE?” or as Rachel stated, “WHY ARE YOU FOLLOWING ME FOR?”

    (A) carrying a weapon in violation of Section 46.02; or
    IT IS SUPPOSEDLY A FACT THAT GZ HAD A VALID CC LICENSE.

    (B) possessing or transporting a weapon in violation of Section 46.05.
    SEE ABOVE RESPONSE.

  • Robar1

    I really like open discussion, but in the above you have interjected your own thoughts. Those thoughts are not supported by evidence. If we both start interjecting our own opinion as fact we will never understand each others position. Again, I am not looking to change your opinion, but I would like to know that your opinion is factually based, not based on supposition. Have a good day.

  • Lika564

    OK, Robert. You can suppose that George’s stories are fact and evidence and ignore anything to the contrary. You have a good day also Sir.

  • Lika564

    You know the answer to that.

  • Robar1

    Lika564, I ignore made-up stuff. Show me factually based evidence that I am ignoring. You said that you believe GZ had his gun out and ready. If that is true then please tell me how TM ever got close enough to even breath on GZ.
    I mentioned the Joe Horn case more for the fact that he WAS actually told to NOT go outside by the 911 operator. That is in contrast with, “Ok, we don’t need you to do that.”. Many people (I don’t know where you are on that issue) have a problem with GZ not OBEYING.
    I pointed out the similarity in the law as, both TX and FL allow for an aggressor to use deadly force in the situation where he finds himself fearing either great bodily harm, or death. I checked TX statutes and can find nothing in them, just like Florida, that precludes an armed person from following and questioning a person. There are laws against brandishing a weapon, but that was never brought up in the court as something GZ did.
    The facts in this case, according to the finding of the jury, is that they believed GZ acted in self defense. It is logical to assume that a jury in TX upon hearing the same evidence, or lack thereof, could come up with the same verdict. Fundamentally if you can’t read the law that I provided, and compare it to the Florida law and see that they are fundamentally the same then we can’t further this discussion….and maybe we shouldn’t as we are sort of beating a dead horse, you and me both, LOL. Maybe that is where it is. While I don’t agree with your assertions, I do understand how you arrived at them. Maybe we just agree to disagree….not so much with the verdict as that is obvious, but rather the fundamentals of the case. No big deal, life goes on….either way I have to work tomorrow, lol.

  • dimepeice55

    WRONG! Selma Mora said that, she saw him standing with one hand on his left hip ( lot of hip there btw) and, he had raised his right hand up to the back of his EMPTY HEAD! she even demonstrated it in court and, did you all see the look on his ugly face?

  • dimepeice55

    This could account for the unknown DNA that could not be attributed to either the victim or the *MURDERER* FOGEN.

  • dimepeice55

    I find it weird as hell myself, and I also believe these neighbors were all in the damn loop on this murder of a child. I also believe that if any robberies were taking place in that complex, Fogen and the GRAND DRAGON TAAFFE WERE THE ONES COMMITTING THEM. WHAT WAS FOGEN MAILING THAT COST $200.00 TO BE SHIPPED AND, WHY WAS HE ASKING HIS WHITE NEIGHBORS WHEN THEY WORKED AND, WHEN THEY WOULD AND WOULDN’T BE AT HOME? I REALLY DO FIND THAT SUSPICIOUS!

  • dimepeice55

    Maybe his next victim will be WHITE and, it will be very interesting to see how these same racist benefactors and supporters will welcome him in the bosom of the white racist brotherhood, HELL NO!

  • dimepeice55

    That plus BEING RACIST!

  • dimepeice55

    FOGEN’S PLACE WHERE HE WAS JUST A SQUATTER, WAS NEVER BROKEN INTO! Imagine owing somebody about 2 or three months of back rent and, when they see you out at Kohls dept store and, ask about when you will be paying up, YOU END UP HAVING LE CALLED ON YOU. THIS IDIOT WAS IN BED WITH MORE THAN ONE PERSON IN THE SPD AND, I MEAN THAT LITERALLY.

  • dimepeice55

    The devil can preach and, the devil can sing but, one thing the devil can’t do is, THE DEVIL CAN’T PRAY! RIGHT ROBERT!

  • dimepeice55

    Traci, it does my heart good to see how he played these people for the dumb as a box of rocks that they are. YOU SEE, THEY PAID OFF ALL OF HIS DEBTS AND HE HAD ENOUGH TO BY ALL OF THE LITTLE TRINKETS THAT HIS THUMPING GIZZARD DESIRED. HE LAYS HIS FAT STINKING ASS IN BED ALL DAY, WHILE THEY ARE GOING TO WORK TO PAY FOR HIS BILLS AND, THEIRS. ALSO, HE THANKED HIS LYING BITCH OF A MOTHER, FOR MAKING HIM A LATINO, WHILE ALL OF THESE RACIST WHITES SENT HIM THEIR HARD EARNED WELFARE CHECKS. EVEN THOUGH SOME OF THE DUMMIES WORK, THEY SENT HIM MONEY AS WELL. HE WAS WHITE WHEN IT WAS TO HIS BENEFIT BUT, WHEN HE WAS ACQUITTED, HE IS 100% LATINO! HE REALLY PLAYED HIS WHITE BROTHERS AND SISTERS LIKE THE FOOLS THAT THEY ARE. HE DOESN’T NEED TO BE WHITE ANYMORE. LMFAO

  • dimepeice55

    MANALO IS ALSO PART OF THE BRIGADE THAT HELPED TO CHASE DOWN, DETAIN AND WATCH THE FAT SON OF A BITCH KILL AN INNOCENT CHILD. THOSE INVOLVED WERE AS FOLLOWS, FOGEN, JENNA LAUER, JEREMY THE PRICK, JOHN GOOD, FRANK TAAFFE AND MARK OSTERMAN. FOR ALL WE KNOW, TIM SMITH WAS INVOLVED ALSO. THESE PEOPLE HAVE MOVED FROM R@TL, THINKING THEY CAN RUN AND HIDE FROM WHAT THEY HAVE DONE BUT, NO JENNA, JEREMY THE PRICK, JOHN GOOD AND, JON MANALO. YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN OUTED AND, YOU ARE ALL GOING TO GO DOWN AND, YOU ARE ALL GOING TO PRISON. HEY JENNA, YOU HAVE BEEN GIVEN UP BY ONE OF THOSE IN YOUR RACIST GROUP WHO YOU JUST KNEW YOU AND YOUR HEN PRICKED HUSBAND THOUGHT YOU COULD TRUST. I WON’T TELL YOU WHO IS IS BUT, YOU HAVE BEEN OUTED. THE DOJ HAS BEEN ENLIGHTENED ABOUT YOU AND JEREMY THE PRICK’S PART IN THIS MURDER OF A CHILD AND, IT’S ONLY A MATTER OF TIME, BEFORE LE WILL BE COMING FOR THE TWO OF YOU.

  • dimepeice55

    KEN, THEY ARE ALL GOING TO GET THE CHANCE TO TELL WHAT PART THEY PLAYED IN THIS MURDER, TO THE DOJ. THEY HAVE BEEN FOUND OUT SO, JENNA AND JEREMY WILL BE THE FIRST ON THE DOJ’S LIST OF SUSPECTS. THEY ARE ALL GOING DOWN BECAUSE, ONE AMONG THEM IS TALKING FOR IMMUNITY. I WON’T SAY WHICH ONE IT IS BUT, THE DOJ KNOWS.

  • dimepeice55

    YOU JUST DON’T KNOW THE HALF OF IT. THEY ALL THOUGHT THEY WERE GOING TO GET AWAY WITH WHAT THEY DID TO A CHILD, TRAYVON BUT THEY HAVE BEEN RATED OUT BY ONE OF THEIR OWN.